www2012 – Data Science, Data Analytics and Machine Learning Consulting in Koblenz Germany https://www.rene-pickhardt.de Extract knowledge from your data and be ahead of your competition Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:12:43 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.6 How Tim Berners Lee told me in front of thousand people: “Go geek and do it” https://www.rene-pickhardt.de/how-tim-berners-lee-told-me-in-front-of-thousand-people-go-geek-and-do-it/ https://www.rene-pickhardt.de/how-tim-berners-lee-told-me-in-front-of-thousand-people-go-geek-and-do-it/#comments Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:50:12 +0000 http://www.rene-pickhardt.de/?p=1254
The statement already got twittered by my colleague Thomas Gottron and retweeted by many others

I am at www2012 conference and after the keynote by Neelie Kroes there was a panel discussion with her, Tim Berners Lee and Gille Babinet.
The discussion was about the question “Weather access to an open internet should be a human right?”
Clearly knowing where I am standing on this issue (yes it should be!) I was very happy that this question was discussed in front of such an audience. Tim Berners Lee obviously agreed on this point and Neelie Kroes really had some great and very diplomatic insights.
But for some reason the discussion always drifted up to the drawbacks of the web like copyright infringement. I was starting to get annoyed by this. Especially because it was always going as Free web vs copyright protection. So I decided to ask a question during Q&A which I am now about to blog.

During Q&A I also gave a litte background on the actuall question but I want to be a bit more detailed in my blog:

  • So yes I wish the “open web” to be a human right.
  • And I also think it is really important to protect the copyrights of artists, musicians and other people creating stuff. Working together with In Legend I really know how hard it is for a musician to survive and it is really important that he gets paid for what he does and shares.
  • BUT: the discussion is always an “eather – or” discussion and goes in the wrong direction! Bastian Emig from In Legend is very open minded about new ways to use the web working for the musician. Already in the plenary session Tim pointed out that he did not invent the Web to harm the record industry. But it is rather the record industry that refuses to think about new business models and just wishes everything to stay in the old ways which used to work quite well for them. 
  • I made the experience that a band still needs to have a record label. You don’t get booked without the label. You don’t get articles in big print mags. The label gives you trust within the industrie and without that you are not seen by many people. And so on…
  • But just in my experience I see that the record label does big harm to a musician. As a member of this musicband I want to share our music on the web. Since there is piracy – which I cant change – I just have to think about a way how I could profit from it. Obviously by sharing the music myself I can increase my reach. This could significantly increase my chances for direct marketing (making the record label kind of obsolate) and this is what the labels seem to be afraid of. The web offers several huge opportunities for musicians to become recognized and an established act. But Labels own the licences and block musicians in doing smart and wise moves on the web.
  • I realize this problem exists due to the fact that labels have a monopoly on the product and too much power but pretending to protect the interests of the artists. Thereby hiding the fact that they are just fighting for their very own interests which do not neccessarily correlate  whitch those from artists.

Here my question / point

It is not about copyright vs free / open internet. It is much more about a new model of copyright that can coexist with a free internet. In This new model licence owners (e.g. the labels) wouldn’t build those exclusive monopolies giving them such a high power. I asked what can be done to establish a new way of thinking about copyright. Since it really does not make sense that itunes gets 50% royalties for a digital distribution that is almost free of cost which I could easily run myself!
First of all – to my surprise – this won me a big applause from the audience which happened very rarely during the conference.

The full panel and discussion can be found at: http://www2012.wwwconference.org/media/videos/keynote-neelie-kroes/
Gille – to whom the question was originally directed – who is very friendly to the record industry answered some stuff I don’t even remember but he was basically stumbling around.
But then two really great answers came along:
Neelie:
“We are working on this and we see that the biggest issue is the record industrie. They pretend to protect the artists and they are not! We need legislation but maybe we need new forms of legislation. Models that worked well in the past may not serve our needs in todays world. I agree with you that you are pointing to the most cruicial point in this discussion.”
Me being totally satisfied with her answer sat down but Tim Berners Lee wanted to say something:
“You know it! Think of a world that you want. Just imagine it!

  • What would be the distribution? 
  • what would be the user interface? 
  • What would be the processes? 
  • What third parties would be involved.

Go out and build it! Talk to the people here. Install an apache server and just go geek and make it happen!”

what a great statement!

It is always nice to have ideas and see solutions to problems. And yes you can always wine around and do nothing. But as a matter of the fact right now the web is still open an free! The technology is there. It really is just a matter of going out an building it. This is what I always said: This is why big traditional media companies didn’t built the youtube, google, facebooks, twitters, flickr,… applications in this world. 
This statement gave me a lot of confidence to stronger believe in my ideas and even one day later I am really feeling that this statement will change my future life. It is really interesting that a man – who I value a lot – tells me something I always felt, hardly did and hits right a way to one of my weekest points! 
After the sesion I got my copy of Tim Berners Lee’s book signed and he asked me to send him an email once my site is up. It is really amazing to receive this kind of feedback by such a great person.
That was one of the most inspiring moments in my life! So anyone who wants to join me going geek on the next generation music web app is very welcome to contact me or leave a comment! There really is a lot of stuff in my mind and I have already dreamt a lot and seen what is possible…

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Tim Berners Lee signing my Copy of his book at www2012 in Lyon

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Keynote on www2012 by Sir Tim Berners Lee https://www.rene-pickhardt.de/keynote-on-www2012-by-sir-tim-berners-lee/ https://www.rene-pickhardt.de/keynote-on-www2012-by-sir-tim-berners-lee/#comments Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:30:12 +0000 http://www.rene-pickhardt.de/?p=1244 disclaimer: this is a very sloppy summary of the keynote speech of Sir Tim Berners Lee. It is neither spellchecked it was taking as notes while sitting inside. I hope I find the time after www2012 to go over it and improve it.

take aways

Decentralized design that is very important. and if you talk about the centralized system like DNS vs internet there are really social issiues that you are talking about.
look at the way w3c builds standards it is hard. It is a huge organizsation and they have to work together but also be split into modular groups.

IDEA 1 Mobile web apps

he gave a lot of interesting insights about the freedom of programmers and the limits of programing models. (Closely related to my thoughts on query languages for graph data bases) He says the easier the programming model the more you restrict people the more they can achieve.
But he also points out there is an ongoing battle between being universal and just being a tool like a refrigerator. he didn’t say it directly but if you listented carefully to him he says don’t support closed blocked systems like apple or even android but make it a open html5 javascript webapp. You decide weather the web stays open. I think he really sees how the mobile web is beeing more and more closed.
He warns: Make open mobile web apps. Join the working groups for setting the standards…
takeaway: VERY VERY important and interesting part of his speech! especially for typology.
My Question: “As a company building something. if it is open you don’t get as much benefit (like access to the friendship graph) as in the case of going for android / iphone systems…”

IDEA2 Standards centralized vs decentralized – power

He talked about the importance of having the same standards for the low level like html, http, and so on. He compares this to people not speeaking the same language. He says it is cool to build all the cool stuff ontop of it.
He says it is hard to build the standards but also important because it made it possible for the web to scale and win against goopher and other things from the early web.
he says the standards are great because anyone can build something on it. it contributes to be decentralized. You don’t have to ask anyone to build something.
My Question: “SPDY seems better / faster and more mature than http. but of course it is hard to change a running system. ”
Value of being completely independend (decentralized) vs the value of working together in a common way (centralized) and this is a huge fight.

IDEA 3 Trust

Ananomous are not quite sure what they are fighing for. is it complete anarchie or fight against corruption. is it the fight against certain goverments or against goverments in general. again. central vs decentral.
Very technical part of his talk that I unfortunatly could not really follow. The main idea was clear. It was about trust, the role of social networks and the methods that could build and propagate trust.
He hopes decentralized trust systems can be found but the battle is not over. (Remark from me: Of course Google+ is better than facebook but both systems are centralized I guess there needs to be low level standards like http to olve the problem but they are hard to implement.) He already said that the semantic web people tried to do it but haven’t successed yet.

IDEA4 openess especially in UK

he talks a lot about open goverment data.
“I spend a lot of time to governments talking to governments to publish data on the web. But a lot of people are pushing back trying to hold back data an maintain power.”
he says it is your responsability to ask parties before the election to have a commitment on making government data open.
open licences. Companies complain about open licenses since they want to use it but not open up their own data.
As a member of the pirate party I can only emphisize on his statements!

Idea 5 Privacy

hes says there are three different forms of privacy:
1.) Of ourse having the shop remembering me and my shoe size is common practise and nice for me. That is one way of privacy. of course those companies if they want to have a good relation with me will not give away my data.
2.) you never know what data will be out there in the future. It might be possible that anonymous data now will become transparent through other data sets coming up in the future…
3.) invasion / tracking / sells to highest bidder / or to the goverment or whoever asks. In the first days of the web this was hard routers couldn’t do this but now it is impossible. But in my oppinion tbl was talking about the facebook’s and googles of this world.
he says this is as dynamite. If someone wants to use this data against you. you will be toasted.
And you cannot stop this. because there are institutions that collet this information and once it is collected it is not save by definition.
he basically says that you cannot collect data about users by default unless you have a similar powershare of “executive legislative and judicative” if this is not happening we should not allow anyone to make such data tracking.
We have to spend 90% time to do cool stuff on the web be innovative. but 10% of the time we have to deal with theses issues otherwise the web will be locked down at some time.
It is about blocking, spamming, twitter bombing, data stealing and so own. This is a huge challange and a big risk of our open web! It is not only the open market depending on it but also democracy and human discourse that depends on it. “I call that net neutrality”
“cispn” americans do this in trying to controll the web and close communication…. go out and look for this. This things happen quick go out and defend the internet and fight for it. This is a duty we have to do in the 10 % of our time.
“I want you to see discussing these things. Think about what you are leaving for the next generation of this. i am happy to do this in the next web conferences but I really want to see ”

questions

on distributed decission making:
How do we move from hirarchical system like our goverments are to a decentralized system which is possible due to all the connections that we have. We should be able to
people naturally don’t go out an break these boundaries of locallity. (there is also a youtube paper on this) Social networking site should rather suggest to spread friends in stead of building those communities of you have 81 friends in common. go out and meet people that are far away from you. use the connections that are being made. (what is the macroscopic effect of this little change in microscoping behaviour)
I think we should do research on new democratic systems like wikipedia (or in my opinion: pirate party) there was the story that people who didn’t vote for barack obama. It turned out those who wouldn’t vote for him didn’t because they couldn’t imagine to have a black president. There was a high correlation of those people and those who have never worked together with people from different ethnical beackground. so go out and spread friendship.
Idea: liquid feedback for W3C as a working group!
question on openess an facebook and the request on tbl’s thoughts
TBL why would you build an app on facebook or a closed world if there is still the open jungle out there. Peopole already asked my that question on netscape and internet explorer. They always ask me this if monoplies rise up.

Funny/interesing Quotes by Tim Berners Lee:

“There is only one person that has been to all web conferences and that is me”
“I recieved a mail recently saying: We had to do a project on an inventor and we decided to do it on you because you are not dead!”
“Values that made the web possible: Openess, concencious about openess, transparency, privacy,”
“If you have questions it is much more interesting for me. Because I have heard myself talking before.”
“Please develop HTML5 mobile web apps rater than native mobile apps!”

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